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bonjour,

Grande-Bretagne : le gouvernement nationalise partiellement les banques

Le gouvernement britannique a annoncé mercredi un plan de soutien aux huit plus grandes banques du pays, passant par une prise de participation pouvant aller jusqu'à 50 milliards de livres (65 milliards d'euros), ce qui équivaut à une nationalisation partielle.
Le gouvernement a aussi annoncé le déblocage d'une ligne de crédit de 200 milliards de livres.
Les huit banques concernées sont Abbey qui appartient à l'espagnol Santander, Barclays, HBOS qui est en train d'être rachetée par Lloyds TSB, HSBC, Lloyds TSB, Nationwide Building Society, la plus grosse banque non cotée du pays, Royal Bank of Scotland et Standard Chartered.
Toutes ont confirmé leur participation au plan de recapitalisation.

Citation de : ParisBrest (au 08-10-2008 07:35:59)

Au fait il est où cet argent qui nous est garanti...
C'est réel ou virtuel?

70 000 € par déposant cela fait des sous...même en admettant que seulement 10% ont autant d'argent en banque.

Il est entreposé dans un coffre?
Il a été transformé en produit financier...illiquide?
C'est peut-être les lingots de la Banque de France ?

Mon assureur auto me garantit aussi ma voiture si je la casse demain...
Par contre si toutes les voitures assurées par "mon" assureur sont cassées le même jour, [ainsi que toutes les voitures des autres assureurs ] pourra-t-il me rembourser...ou devra-t-il mettre la clé sous la porte???

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de toute façon, si toutes les banques disparaissent d'un coup, tu n'auras plus de magasins où acheter ta bouffe
donc ....

Discours de Roosevelt expliquant aux américains la fermeture (provisoire) de TOUTES les banques des Etats-Unis.

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On the Bank Crisis

March 12, 1933

Address of President Roosevelt by radio, delivered from the President's Study in the White House at 10 PM today.

I want to talk for a few minutes with the people of the United States about banking -- with the comparatively few who understand the mechanics of banking but more particularly with the overwhelming majority who use banks for the making of deposits and the drawing of checks. I want to tell you what has been done in the last few days, why it was done, and what the next steps are going to be. I recognize that the many proclamations from State Capitols and from Washington, the legislation, the Treasury regulations, etc., couched for the most part in banking and legal terms should be explained for the benefit of the average citizen. I owe this in particular because of the fortitude and good temper with which everybody has accepted the inconvenience and hardships of the banking holiday. I know that when you understand what we in Washington have been about I shall continue to have your cooperation as fully as I have had your sympathy and help during the past week.

First of all let me state the simple fact that when you deposit money in a bank the bank does not put the money into a safe deposit vault. It invests your money in many different forms of credit-bonds, commercial paper, mortgages and many other kinds of loans. In other words, the bank puts your money to work to keep the wheels of industry and of agriculture turning around. A comparatively small part of the money you put into the bank is kept in currency -- an amount which in normal times is wholly sufficient to cover the cash needs of the average citizen. In other words the total amount of all the currency in the country is only a small fraction of the total deposits in all of the banks.

What, then, happened during the last few days of February and the first few days of March? Because of undermined confidence on the part of the public, there was a general rush by a large portion of our population to turn bank deposits into currency or gold. -- A rush so great that the soundest banks could not get enough currency to meet the demand. The reason for this was that on the spur of the moment it was, of course, impossible to sell perfectly sound assets of a bank and convert them into cash except at panic prices far below their real value.

By the afternoon of March 3 scarcely a bank in the country was open to do business. Proclamations temporarily closing them in whole or in part had been issued by the Governors in almost all the states.

It was then that I issued the proclamation providing for the nation-wide bank holiday, and this was the first step in the Government's reconstruction of our financial and economic fabric.

The second step was the legislation promptly and patriotically passed by the Congress confirming my proclamation and broadening my powers so that it became possible in view of the requirement of time to entend (sic) the holiday and lift the ban of that holiday gradually. This law also gave authority to develop a program of rehabilitation of our banking facilities. I want to tell our citizens in every part of the Nation that the national Congress -- Republicans and Democrats alike -- showed by this action a devotion to public welfare and a realization of the emergency and the necessity for speed that it is difficult to match in our history.

The third stage has been the series of regulations permitting the banks to continue their functions to take care of the distribution of food and household necessities and the payment of payrolls.

This bank holiday while resulting in many cases in great inconvenience is affording us the opportunity to supply the currency necessary to meet the situation. No sound bank is a dollar worse off than it was when it closed its doors last Monday. Neither is any bank which may turn out not to be in a position for immediate opening. The new law allows the twelve Federal Reserve banks to issue additional currency on good assets and thus the banks that reopen will be able to meet every legitimate call. The new currency is being sent out by the Bureau of Engraving and Printing in large volume to every part of the country. It is sound currency because it is backed by actual, good assets.

A question you will ask is this - why are all the banks not to be reopened at the same time? The answer is simple. Your Government does not intend that the history of the past few years shall be repeated. WE do not want and will not have another epidemic of bank failures.

As a result we start tomorrow, Monday, with the opening of banks in the twelve Federal Reserve Bank cities -- those banks which on first examination by the Treasury have already been found to be all right. This will be followed on Tuesday by the resumption of all their functions by banks already found to be sound in cities where there are recognized clearinghouses. That means about 250 cities of the United States.

On Wednesday and succeeding days banks in smaller places all through the country will resume business, subject, of course, to the Government's physical ability to complete its survey. It is necessary that the reopening of banks be extended over a period in order to permit the banks to make applications for necessary loans, to obtain currency needed to meet their requirements and to enable the Government to make common sense checkups.

Let me make it clear to you that if your bank does not open the first day you are by no means justified in believing that it will not open. A bank that opens on one of the subsequent days is in exactly the same status as the bank that opens tomorrow.

I know that many people are worrying about State banks not members of the Federal Reserve System. These banks can and will receive assistance from member banks and from the Reconstruction Finance Corporation. These state banks are following the same course as the national banks except that they get their licenses to resume business from the state authorities, and these authorities have been asked by the Secretary of the Treasury to permit their good banks to open up on the same schedule as the national banks. I am confident that the state banking departments will be as careful as the National Government in the policy relating to the opening of banks and will follow the same broad policy.

It is possible that when the banks resume a very few people who have not recovered from their fear may again begin withdrawals. Let me make it clear that the banks will take care of all needs -- and it is my belief that hoarding during the past week has become an exceedingly unfashionable pastime. It needs no prophet to tell you that when the people find that they can get their money -- that they can get it when they want it for all legitimate purposes -- the phantom of fear will soon be laid. People will again be glad to have their money where it will be safely taken care of and where they can use it conveniently at any time. I can assure you that it is safer to keep your money in a reopened bank than under the mattress.

The success of our whole great national program depends, of course, upon the cooperation of the public -- on its intelligent support and use of a reliable system.

Remember that the essential accomplishment of the new legislation is that it makes it possible for banks more readily to convert their assets into cash than was the case before. More liberal provision has been made for banks to borrow on these assets at the Reserve Banks and more liberal provision has also been made for issuing currency on the security of those good assets. This currency is not fiat currency. It is issued only on adequate security -- and every good bank has an abundance of such security.

One more point before I close. There will be, of course, some banks unable to reopen without being reorganized. The new law allows the Government to assist in making these reorganizations quickly and effectively and even allows the Government to subscribe to at least a part of new capital which may be required.

I hope you can see from this elemental recital of what your government is doing that there is nothing complex, or radical in the process.

We had a bad banking situation. Some of our bankers had shown themselves either incompetent or dishonest in their handling of the people's funds. They had used the money entrusted to them in speculations and unwise loans. This was of course not true in the vast majority of our banks but it was true in enough of them to shock the people for a time into a sense of insecurity and to put them into a frame of mind where they did not differentiate, but seemed to assume that the acts of a comparative few had tainted them all. It was the Government's job to straighten out this situation and do it as quickly as possible -- and the job is being performed.

I do not promise you that every bank will be reopened or that individual losses will not be suffered, but there will be no losses that possibly could be avoided; and there would have been more and greater losses had we continued to drift. I can even promise you salvation for some at least of the sorely pressed banks. We shall be engaged not merely in reopening sound banks but in the creation of sound banks through reorganization. It has been wonderful to me to catch the note of confidence from all over the country. I can never be sufficiently grateful to the people for the loyal support they have given me in their acceptance of the judgment that has dictated our course, even though all of our processes may not have seemed clear to them.

After all there is an element in the readjustment of our financial system more important than currency, more important than gold, and that is the confidence of the people. Confidence and courage are the essentials of success in carrying out our plan. You people must have faith; you must not be stampeded by rumors or guesses. Let us unite in banishing fear. We have provided the machinery to restore our financial system; it is up to you to support and make it work.

It is your problem no less than it is mine. Together we cannot fail.


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L'Histoire ne se répète pas mais permet d'éclairer l'avenir.

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Citation de : rationnel (au 08-10-2008 10:43:04)

Citation de : ParisBrest (au 08-10-2008 07:35:59)

Au fait il est où cet argent qui nous est garanti...
C'est réel ou virtuel?

70 000 € par déposant cela fait des sous...même en admettant que seulement 10% ont autant d'argent en banque.

Il est entreposé dans un coffre?
Il a été transformé en produit financier...illiquide?
C'est peut-être les lingots de la Banque de France ?

Mon assureur auto me garantit aussi ma voiture si je la casse demain...
Par contre si toutes les voitures assurées par "mon" assureur sont cassées le même jour, [ainsi que toutes les voitures des autres assureurs ] pourra-t-il me rembourser...ou devra-t-il mettre la clé sous la porte???

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de toute façon, si toutes les banques disparaissent d'un coup, tu n'auras plus de magasins où acheter ta bouffe
donc ....

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Le président du fonds était sur M6 dimanche soir. Actuellement le fonds dispose en réel de quoi indemniser 25000 comptes.

Bonjour Roque,

De Dupont-Dupont, je dirais même plus;

L'histoire ne répète pas le même couplet, mais l'histoire se répète sous d' autres rimes.

Bonjour

Voilà à quoi pourrait bien ressembler le site web de votre banque ou de votre broker !

Cliquez pour agrandir

Des dépôts gelés ... normal pour une banque islandaise !

Moins drôle pour les britanniques qui avaient des sous dans cette banque.

Je n'ose imaginer la tête des gens ayant des comptes chez des brokers US ... le jour où !

Croisez le doigts ...

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Citation de : Roque (au 09-10-2008 11:43:07)

Citation de : cinsî (au 08-10-2008 12:05:03)

Bonjour Roque,

De Dupont-Dupont, je dirais même plus;

L'histoire ne répète pas le même couplet, mais l'histoire se répète sous d' autres rimes.

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oui c'est de Mark Twain : « History does not repeat itself but it rhymes » ou « L'Histoire ne se répète pas mais elle rime ».

Roque n a pas eu mes super lecteurs et les commentaires

ont ils vu la banque islandaise ???

l impossible deviendrait donc pensable ??

Citation de : chris83 (au 09-10-2008 11:55:35)

Roque n a pas eu mes super lecteurs et les commentaires
...

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Moi yen a pas comprendre ???

Libor Dollar Rate Jumps to Highest in Year; Credit Stays Frozen

By Anchalee Worrachate and Gavin Finch

Oct. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The cost of borrowing in dollars for three months in London soared to the highest level this year as coordinated interest-rate reductions worldwide failed to revive lending among banks for any longer than a day.

The London interbank offered rate, or Libor, for three-month loans rose 23 basis points to 4.75 percent today, the British Bankers' Association said. That's the highest level since Dec. 28. The Libor-OIS spread, a measure of cash scarcity, widened to a record 350 basis points. The overnight rate fell 29 basis points to 5.09 percent. That's still 359 basis points more than the Federal Reserve's target rate of 1.5 percent.

``To see little or no reaction in the fixings is very disappointing and reinforces the fact that Libor is broken and that the transmission mechanism from central banks isn't working,'' said Barry Moran, a Dublin-based currency trader at Bank of Ireland, the country's second-biggest bank. ``Things are still very stressed and we don't know what's going to fix it in the short term.''

Pour information.

Et voilà, ca traverse la manche

Comptes belges gelés chez Kaupthing : témoignez !
09/10/2008 15:05

Toutes les transactions de la division belge de Kaupthing, la plus grande banque d'Islande, ont été bloquées par la Commission de surveillance du secteur financier (CSSF), le gendarme boursier luxembourgeois, après que cette banque eut été reprise jeudi matin par le gouvernement islandais, a confirmé Daniel Jourde chez Kaupthing.

Source: Trend.be

redressement judiciaire de kaupthing bank luxembourg. Grosse structure au kirchberg pour ceux qui connaissent.

"La banque belge travaille sous licence luxembourgeoise. Elle est donc passée sous le contrôle de la CSSF cette nuit. En pratique, Kaupthing Bank Luxembourg a fait la demande auprès du Tribunal d'une mise en sursis de paiement."

http://www.rtlinfo.be/rtl/news/article/180179/--Le...

je connais des types là-bas. Désolé pour eux.

DEMAIN BANK HOLIDAY*



* A mon humble avis